File this one under “there but for the grace of God go
I.” Here’s a profile of Andrew Carmichael, a “whiz kid” who racked up law school debt totaling
$215,000. Yep, that’s not a typo. Two hundred fifteen large. Just to put that in perspective – most people
in this country could own a house outright for two hundred fifteen thousand
dollars. Meaning, Andrew took on law
school debt that could have financed a home.
Meaning, he’s now looking at a student loan payment the size of a mortgage
(to the tune of $2,756 per month). Thank
goodness mortgages are totally easy to pay off and have never gotten anyone into trouble.
Spoiler alert: Andrew did get a great job after taking on
all that law school debt, so it wasn’t a total waste. He is now employed…as a computer
programmer. Yep, that’s also not a typo. He is now a computer programmer. I'm no expert, but last time I checked, a lot of computer programmers were scraping by without JD's.
Not for nothing, I am officially revoking Andrew of his
“whiz kid” moniker. He won’t be needing
it for a while.
At this point, I’m basically beating a dead horse,
but take this as a lesson, all you 0L’s: most of you will face financial ruin
if you make the mistake of financing a law degree. And even if you do manage to find work and
make your gargantuan loan payments, you will not be doing that while working as
a lawyer. How many more law schools does
Nando have to skewer before you people wake up?
How many more stories of law school debt hell do you need to read before
you realize what you are in for? What
exactly would it take for the synapses in your brain to fire when reading these
cautionary tales?
It’s partly my fault.
You see, I'm too nice in real life.
In real life, when prospective law students ask me what I think of their
aspirations, I try to be diplomatic. I
reference the “tough legal market” and the dangers of taking on so much debt in
such an uncertain economic climate. I
also tell them my own story of being unhappy practicing law, but finding it difficult
to get out since I had a high student loan balance. I guess I haven’t been forthright. Well, that’s going to change now. Here is an email I will be sending to an
acquaintance of mine who just finished her first semester at a second-tier
school that’s currently advertising about a 30% employment rate while charging
$50K per year in tuition (names have been changed to protect the insolvent):
Dear Harriet:
I am so sorry for the
delay in replying to your email. I’ve
been thinking about you a lot these past few months and I have been wracked with
guilt for failing to intervene earlier. This
past summer, when you asked me for advice on whether you should go to law
school (you were having doubts about whether you want to practice law), I
advised you to take a year off and think about it before taking on so much
debt. I should have known better than to
advise a 0L to think.
Don’t get me wrong,
Harriet – that’s not an insult. I was
once a 0L, pathologically averse to wisdom and logic, just like you were this
past summer. No one could reason with me
– certainly not any of the dozens of attorneys I spoke with who begged me to do
anything else but go to law school (one beleaguered fellow – he was forty years
old but didn’t look a day over ninety – advised me that stripping would be more
honorable, and certainly more lucrative.
But what the hell did he know? He’d
only been practicing law for fifteen years).
Before I continue,
Harriet, I’m going to pour myself a wee nip of some“truth serum,” if you know
what I mean. I know I ougtta keep my
mouth shut more often than I do, but since I’m opening the floodgates, I’m gonna
need a little liquid courage.
Aahhhh…I know I go on
and on about how flaky California is, but I’ll be damned if you can find a
superior Pinot anywhere else. Anyway,
where was I? Oh yeah, wisdom.
See, I was different,
Harriet. Special even. Destined for great things, like smart pant
suits and file folders crammed with important papers. Those tired, bitter lawyers were unhappy because
they weren’t as bright as me, or as tough.
Maybe they should have gone into teaching, or social work, or even quiet
little retail management positions. I wasn’t
like them. They didn’t understand who
they were talking to – I mean, I got A’s in history, Harriet. I wasn’t some poor schmuck who majored in
Spanish, or business. Or even something
equally useless like computer science.
I apologize for the
sarcasm. Perhaps I’m still a bit sour about
having picked the wrong major. All the
job ads I saw after college graduation seemed to want people with business
degrees who were bilingual and dabbled in web development. As it turned out, my senior thesis on the
Franco-Prussian War didn’t pack quite the punch on my resume that I thought it would. I wasn’t too discouraged, though. I knew most people had to slum it for a bit after
college and pay their dues, which is why I interviewed for a few entry-level positions. I got a pretty decent offer from a non-profit
I’d volunteered for as an undergrad. Ah,
but why would I limit myself to helping sexual assault victims (a passion of
mine back then) when a law degree would open so many more doors, Harriet? Besides, I could always help crime victims
one way or another. Maybe I’d be a
prosecutor or something. Give back to the community a little - after making my first million in Big Law, of course.
By the way, you
mentioned getting a job offer as a coach this past summer, didn’t you? I recall you were so excited because you’d
get to work with young people and teach them the sport you’d grown to cherish
over the years. I know you agonized about
whether to turn it down because of law school.
Don’t worry, though. I’m sure you won’t regret it. I certainly don't. Will you excuse me for a moment while I top off my glass? I won't be a moment.
Anyway, I digress. The point is, I knew I wasn’t some average
Joe who’d do just fine with a BA and a nice little office job, Harriet. I wasn’t going to hide my light under a
bushel, oh no. I was going to let it
shine, just like Jill Hennessy or Angie Harmon on Law & Order.
I had personal reasons
for wanting to go to law school, too.
I was the first kid in my family to go to college, and certainly I’d be
the first one to enter into one of the professions. I guess looking back on it, I felt I had
something to prove…
My God, I’ve already had two glasses and I’ve entirely lost my place. That's it, only a few more sips for me. It's good for the arteries, I know, but not so great for storytelling. Now what was I going on about? Personal motives,
right.
You can probably
relate. Your parents are immigrants,
just like my mom was, if I recall correctly? Doesn’t
your mom work for the post office? Mine
worked as a hotel maid. I swear,
Harriet, when your mom comes home with stories about cleaning up other people’s
cum and shit and vomit, you turn into a very generous tipper. (Speaking of tips, I’ve got an interesting story for you about how I paid off my student loans. Let’s stick a pin in that for now, though.) The point is, Harriet, I know your mom
probably came home with similar, albeit less graphic, tales of indignity when
you were a kid. Serving the general
public can certainly challenge one’s faith in man’s inherently benevolent nature. It's no wonder she wanted better for you.
Anyway, my parents
were always yammering on about college and having a career and making the
family proud. Nonetheless, I got the distinct
impression that most people expected me to get knocked up and go on welfare as
soon as I began ovulating, all because of my mom’s accent. (I bet a lot of them were even disappointed
when that didn’t happen.) It was going to
be nice, shoving my shiny JD in their pruney little faces. I’d ask them how their kids, Johnny and Janie,
were enjoying their careers selling lawn furniture at Target. Maybe I’d even “accidentally” drop one of my
business cards on the ground, right next to my shiny Louboutins. Believe me, Harriet, I know you want to gloat,
and I don’t blame you. But please know
that there are less destructive ways to do that than committing financial
suicide.
I have to pause here
because I need to be upfront about something.
If I’m going to spill my guts about all the reasons why I belonged in
law school, I guess I have to admit to a few doubts as well, in order to paint
the full picture. But first, I’m gonna need
to top myself off again. Shit, Harriet, coming clean sure feels dirty sometimes, doesn’t it?
Ok, fine, I didn’t entirely
know what I wanted in a career. But
that’s what was so perfect about picking the law. It was specific enough to provide me with an
identity, and vague enough that I couldn’t understand the full implications of
what a legal career actually involved until I was trapped. Would you believe me if I told you that the
thought of being trapped actually appealed – appealed – to me, Harriet? Aw, hell, I'm spilling all over myself now. No worries; a little club soda'll probably get that right out. Anyway. I know it
makes no sense at all, but bear with me.
I mean, if I didn’t know what I wanted to do with my life, maybe it’d just
be easier if someone said to me, “here, go over there and do that.” That thought actually crossed my mind on more
than one occasion. Maybe crushing debt
would ground me somehow. Keep me in
place long enough to plant some roots and commit to a path.
You’ve probably had
some doubts, too, Harriet. It’s ok, I
won’t tell anyone. It’s just us girls
talking right now. Here, let me pour you
a glass. You probably think that going
to law school will relieve you of the burden of having to figure out who you
really are. I know, I know. Drink up, it'll put some hair on your chest. Good. Now listen close, Harriet, when I tell you that I am truly sorry, but there simply are not any
loopholes when it comes to that. Believe
me, if there were, I’d have found one by now. I'm just as sick about it as you are, sincerely.
Incidentally, there
also aren’t many loopholes when it comes to student loan debt. I know some might think I’m over-imbibing at
this point, but I really do need another heavy pour if we’re gonna talk about
this, Harriet. There, last one, I
promise. I'm gonna top you off as well. Trust me, you'll need it.
One thing you might
want to do, Harriet, if you decide to continue with law school (read: dig your
own grave) is check out the United States Bankruptcy Code. Pay close attention to 11 U.S.C. §523(a)(8)(A) and (B). I know there’s a lot
of legal mumbo jumbo in there, and you probably haven’t learned a lot about
statutory interpretation just yet – those law professors certainly like to flap
their gums about case law, don’t they? I
know it’s not because cases are easier to read than statutes (not a lot of
cross-referencing and such). But why
didn’t my genius professors prefer the dynamic nature of statutes? I’ll never understand it. I mean, have you ever looked at your state’s
insurance code, Harriet? I mean really looked at
it? It’s enough to drive you mad, with
all the back and forth between different volumes. But there I go again. I’m sorry for all these tangents, Harriet,
really I am. Anyway, the crux of 11 U.S.C.
§ 523(a)(8)(A) and (B) is that you can’t discharge student loan debt in
bankruptcy “unless excepting such debt from discharge…would impose an undue
hardship” on you or your dependents.
Now I know what you’re
going to do after reading that. You’re going
to flip through page after page in search of the meaning of “undue
hardship.” Thing is, Harriet, there is
no clear cut definition, which means the debtor is at the mercy of the court on
that one. And by “the court,” I mean one
judge (most likely a white male) who probably
graduated at or near the top of his class at a tier 1 school many years ago,
when legal jobs were still plentiful. Can
you believe that? I know it seems
daunting to think that a person’s entire future could rest in the hands of one man,
Harriet, but I want you to fully contemplate that reality.
Let’s pretend we’re working on this case
together. Our client is a nice young
woman who enrolled in a second-tier law school right after graduating college,
and is now $200K in the hole with no job prospects whatsoever.
Now, first we have to
ignore the fact that this woman cannot actually pay us for our work. Which means we’re gonna have to skip a few
lattes this month in order for our little firm to eat the cost, but that’s all right. We have plenty of other clients who are more
than happy to pay us, right? Just
yesterday, I got a call from a PC (that’s lingo for “prospective client,”
Harriet) who’s also thinking of filing for bankruptcy. He’s probably got plenty o’ dough to throw at
us to make all his problems go away.
Anyway, I’m sure it’ll
be easy for us to convince a success story like that judge of our client’s
plight. I mean, he could just as easily have
found himself in the same position as our insolvent student loan debtor, had he
graduated in a different market. Rich and powerful people generally understand
that a lot of their wealth and influence were born of luck among other things,
right, Harriet? You ask me, discharging
that student loan debt’ll be a piece o’ cake.
We’ll all have to go out for a nice tall one after that adversary
proceeding hearing. Maybe the lawyer for
Sallie Mae’ll even join us and pick up the tab, in exchange for a little “inside
baseball” on just how we managed to persuade a federal judge to set a precedent
that permits able-bodied law school debtors to walk away from six-figure debts
the minute they hit a few speed bumps on the road to that white shoe firm we’re
all destined for. (You and I both know
it really wasn’t that hard, Harriet, given that there aren’t any sweeping economic
implications of such a holding. We’ll
let him pay anyway, wink wink.) Yep.
But what if it’s
not? Think about it, Harriet. What happens if you – I mean, this
hypothetical client of ours – finds herself $200K in the hole, and obligated to
pay back $2,500 per month in student loans alone, but she can’t discharge that
debt in bankruptcy? I know it’s rare,
Harriet, but these things happen. And as lawyers, isn’t it our job to consider the
worst possible outcomes? I mean, we wouldn't exactly be earning our fee if we didn't explore all the hiccups our client might encounter in the process of trying to get her financial life back. Oh that's right, we're not actually getting paid for this. But we took an oath, right? Zealous, competent representation and all that, remember, Harriet? So I'm afraid we're gonna have to ask the tough questions. What if our client doesn’t have the money to repay her loans, nor the ability to avail herself of bankruptcy relief?
There are programs,
right? I’ll bet that’s what you’re
thinking. Deferrals, tax breaks, things
like that. I like the way your mind works, Harriet. You're already thinking like a lawyer - always looking for an angle. Well, you’re partially correct. If you take out federal student loans, you
might qualify for a hardship deferral. But our client took out
private loans (just like you, right?).
And private lenders aren’t obligated to cut borrowers a break, unless such a contingency is included in the loan agreement.
Well so what? You might be thinking. You can’t squeeze blood from a turnip! You’re right, you can’t. But if you’re the federal government, you don’t have to waste your time fondling turnips, Harriet. You can seize bank accounts and garnish wages, all without due process. I mean, these are the Feds we're talking about! And if you’re a private lender, you can still sue and garnish and generally make a debtor's life a living hell until she coughs up the dough.
And in the meantime, Harriet,
our client can’t buy a house because of her high debt-to-income ratio. Again, I know this is a fluke scenario that
almost never happens, but what should our
client do in the meantime? Continue
renting? How does she swing a rent
payment and a $2,500 student loan payment?
Even if she can get a deferral, that means she’s not going to pay off the
loan anytime soon, which means she won’t be buying a house anytime soon,
either.
And then there’s the tiny matter of her job prospects, Harriet. As
you know, she unfortunately had to take a retail position at a perfume counter, given the lack of
legal jobs and the fact that no one wanted to hire her because of her law
degree. I guess a lot of the places she applied
to labored under the delusion that she’d be gone just as quickly as she came,
once she decided which six-figure job she was going to settle on (helping
abused prisoners escape Guantanamo or assisting the bigwigs at Apple and
Google with their latest acquisitions.
Decisions, decisions, right, Harriet?).
Now I know this is
going to sound harsh, Harriet, and maybe it’s just the wine talking, but you know what it sounds like to me? Here, I’m gonna lean in a little closer so no
one else hears. You know what it sounds
like to me? It sounds to me like our client
bought herself a house, only she didn’t get the keys, know what I mean? I don’t mean to suggest any nefarious motives
on the part of her law school or her student loan servicer – matter of fact, I won't even hear it, Harriet! - 'course they do
both get paid no matter what happens to our client, don’t they?
See, there I go
again. This is why I left the law. It’s troubling scenarios like these that
circled round and round in my head all day and night, back when I was practicing,
that drove me up the wall. It’s human
nature, I suppose. You know what my
criminal law professor once told us? He
told us that people often cite decreasing crime statistics as a testament to how
well progressive economic and social policies have helped alleviate crime. But the minute your car gets broken into, it
doesn’t matter how low the crime rate is in your neighborhood; as far as you’re
concerned, it’s now at one hundred percent.
That’s what it’s like practicing law, Harriet. The legal system might work most of the time
in this country, but when it doesn’t and it’s your client who gets the shit end
of the stick, it certainly seems like one big monolith of graft and shaft. And to tell you the truth, that’s exactly how
I feel thinking about this client of ours who’s now stuck with decades of
nondischargeable debt and a dead-end job.
It feels like the “graft and shaft” rate just went up to one hundred
percent.
Oh, but listen to me
prattle on and on. Like I said, it's just the Pinot talking, Harriet. It really brings out
the conspiracy buff in me. You asked me
about law school! And what do injustice,
financial ruin, and crippling regret have to do with that?
Very truly yours,
Recovering Lawyer
I'll probably edit it a bit before I send it out, but I hope Harriet gets the message.
By the way, if you enjoy my blog, please leave a comment below (even if it's just a quick "read it" so I'll know I'm not just talking to myself or to the spambots). It'll be helpful in knowing whether I should continue to post. Thanks for reading!
I read your blog and look forward to your posts, but since I graduated law school this May it feels too late for me. I still appreciate knowing I'm not alone though.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for reading! It's never too late, you know. If you've got six-figure debt from law school, it'll be hard to get rid of, but not impossible (well, for the $200K + crowd, it might be next to impossible...). The hardest part is finding a non-legal job with a JD on your resume. If you can find a way to leave it off, leave it off!! I hope this entry didn't depress you. It was just meant to be a warning to 0L's.
DeleteWell done! I've been banging the "don't go to law school" drum for about the past 7 years (I'm 16 years out). I'm actually doing reasonably well in my post Biglaw professional life after starting a very small corporate litigation shop. But it took nearly a decade in Biglaw (from which I was cut loose in the depths of the Great Recession) to gain the cred I would need to do it. For those just embarking on this path, I urge them not to . . . !!! Get a degree in something you enjoy with a reasonable ROI! Anyway, congratulations on being law school debt-free, and keep up the good fight.
DeleteKeep posting.
ReplyDeleteThank you for reading, and for your comment!
DeleteYou're a really good writer, keep posting!
ReplyDeleteThank you so much!! I can't tell you how much it means to read positive comments about my writing. I'll definitely keep posting. :)
DeleteRecovering Lawyer, you didn't go to law school so you could help people like me, people who cannot afford a $300/hour lawyer. You did it so you could wave your "shiny JD" in my "pruney little face." You said so yourself. Since your object was to lord it over me with wealth, status, and the privileges of being an officer of the court, I'm as short on sympathy as you are short of money.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for reading, and for your comment! I have to say, unless you're a racist or a xenophobe, then no, I did not want to wave my JD in your face. :) That wasn't the only reason I wanted to go to law school, but I had to discuss it with "Harriet," since a lot of law students might feel like they have something to prove if people had low expectations of them growing up.
DeleteI take it you haven't read my blog (no worries, I understand if it's not your cup of tea) - we actually aren't short on money. Not anymore, anyway. We have been debt-free for almost a year and are now on baby step 4 of the Dave Ramsey plan. Getting out of debt was humbling, and it's made me even more passionate about helping people avoid student loans, especially law students who often take on six-figure debts even though the legal market is terrible.
I'm sorry to hear you can't afford a lawyer. If you need one, have you contacted the state bar where you live? They often have a list of lawyers who are willing to assist people on a sliding scale. Law schools have similar programs, where second and third years can help you under the supervision of a licensed attorney for little or no cost.
Again, thanks for reading!
This is a great post, although most prospective law students wouldn't be able to wade through your detailed letter.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, when I was a 0L (which was almost 20 years ago, jeez), I did have some "informational" interviews with attorneys before applying to law school. It was like the Charlie Brown TV show-- "Wah wah wah, wah wah wah wah." I simply could not understand what they were saying.
Hey, prospective law students-- No jobs, too much debt, no ability to discharge loans if law isn't for you. Write that down 100 times on the black board.
Wow - keep posting. I have similar stories in my experience in the legal business, thank you.
ReplyDeleteYikes!!! Stories like this make my glad that I graduated law school 20 years ago, when having a law degree still meant something. And yes, my student loan is also paid off.
ReplyDeleteArticle on either yahoo or NYT yesterday on the LDS.
ReplyDeleteI just now stumbled across your Legally Obligated blog. Thanks for sharing your experiences with such authenticity. I graduated from law school in 2011 and after two years of practicing litigation, I finally succumbed to the realization it was not for me. I couldn't stand being enslaved to the billable hour, the business travel, the "business development" a.k.a. schmoozing, and so much more. It was taking a toll on my physical health, marriage and overall sanity.
ReplyDeleteIt was both very difficult and very easy for me to decide to walk away from my job. Since quitting, I've been working as a paralegal to keep an income but give myself the time and space to reevaluate my skills, interests and career aspirations.
Keep writing. It is good to know we're not alone.
I love your blog and I hope you update it soon! You've got some great things to say!
ReplyDeleteThis is a great blog. I'm looking to leave the law behind as well, so I can completely relate.
ReplyDeleteIn Andrew's defense, at least he managed to get a job. Granted, it wasn't in the law, but the law school debt is a sunk cost at this point. Besides, computer programmers probably (and by probably, I mean almost certainly) have better long-term career prospects than lawyers.
Y U no post?
ReplyDeleteWhen are you going to make a new podcast and post again? I'm a lawyer with a low-paying job, $180k+ in debt, and I enjoy reading about other law grads trying to move on in life and improve their conditions. I hope you read this comment and it encourages you to start writing again.
ReplyDeleteDid someone try to expose your identity or invade your privacy? The individuals and institutions who profit off legal education seem to have a penchant for destroying anyone who dares to criticize their endeavor. Is this why you don't post anymore? Don't succumb to their bullying!!
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